Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

I know you can change the frame rate on the XL1s and that's one of the reasons I got one. On the '28 Days Later' (which used a XL1s) commentary, they talk about how they set the frame rate to 300 frames a second to give certain shots that energetic look. There are a few shots in a film I'm directing now that I want to try it out on, but I have no idea how to change the frame rate. The manual only talks about how to set it to use frames instead of 'normal'. Does anyone know how to change the frame rate? Also, if I set it to 300 will it actually record 300 frames a second? Would it use up about 10 times as much room on the video tape? Also, I heard the XL1s is excellent for low light conditions. I'm shooting at night. Does anyone know how to set it to record good in low light conditions?

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Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

Hello, well I may be wrong here but 300fps wow is that possible. I know 28 days later was filmed on XL-1 but transferred to 35mm (I think) which because its film is 24fps but it could have been 25fps (pal) (not sure). I'm guessing not 300 fps but 300 shutter speed. As far as low light, open the iris, slow the shutter. If it has a gain setting setting turn it up but it will add noise. Im not sure the options about the XL1, I only know bout the AGDVX. I could be wrong, but ive never heard of such a high number for frame rate.

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

Maybe it was shutter speed. They said 300 or 1500 which are both shutter speeds. I'm pretty sure they said frames because they said when slowing it back down to 24 fps, it had the proper speed but with the energetic look. Would shutter speed do that? Do you 'slow it to the normal 24 fps rate'? When I set it to 300 shutter speed, the viewfinder gets really dark, almost to the point where nothing is seen at all. Why is that? Do you know how to open the iris on the XL1s? Thanks for your help. I know I asked a lot more questions in this reply but it'd be great if you can answer them all, as they're all important.

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

Shutter speed can give you a energetic look Saving Private Ryan was shot with the a 1/500 shutter speed. For special blur effects slow the shutter maybe around 1/24. The reason your viewfinder gets really dark with a higher shutter speed is because less light is coming in so the footage is usually dark. So one you may need additional light so film outdoors or buy lighting equp. Man, Im sorry again I don't know to much bout the XL-1, only about the AGDVXA. But look around there might be a ring on the side which reads iris I don't know. I wish I could help you some more, but im ignorant in the mechanics of the XL-1. Good luck.

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

I'm not an expert with video cameras, but I don't think you will find it possible to change the frame rate. Obviously with a proper movie camera it is simplicity itself because it is easy to just crank the motor faster, and even many super8 cameras will over crank to 54fps and one or two up to 70 or 80 fps. 54 will give a beautiful slow motion effect. Ref Saving Private Ryan - the presentation rate for this film is 24fps. To achieve a shutter speed of 1/500 the variable shutter on the camera would have to have been closed right down, but the frame rate would have stayed the same save for slow motion sequences. Also, don't forget that 28 days had an enourmous budget for improving the image quality as much as possible in post coupled with expert lighting in production - so I hope you are not expecting to achieve the same image quality because you may be disappointed (although it still looked poor though, especially during theatrical presentation) Matt

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

Matt, I have no idea what you said in your third paragraph about Saving Private Ryan. Don't try to sound so experty. Smiling j/k But can you try to reword it in the way people normally talk even if they are experts? I have no idea what "the same save for slow motion..." means. Should I set it at a 500 shutter speed? I know it won't look as good as 28 Days Later and I hope you didn't think I did think that. Sorry dude I don't mean to be a jerk but one of my biggest pet peaves is when indie filmmakers try to talk like they're know it alls and they're above everyone else. That coupled with other things led me to fire one guy from one of my films. It just sounds like you're desperate to be a filmmaker so you pretend like you are one. Err... I know I sound like an ass.

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

Hi there, Sorry if you you don't like the way I'm putting things. All I was saying about Saving Private Ryan is that someone else had asserted that it was shot with a 1/500 sec. shutter speed. On a motion picture camera the shutter speed is directly related to the frame rate - the shutter consists of a rotating disk with a slice cut out of it, rather like a cake. It rotates and whenever the "slice" passes the film gate a frame is exposed and then the claw hooks the film forward to the next frame ready for the "slice" to pass again and expose the next frame. if you increase the frame rate obviously the shutter rotates more quickly with the consequence that each frame is exposed for less time. The other consequence of this, however, is that the motion will appear slowed down when presented. Generally speaking the shutter is 180 degree - ie: the disk is only a half. However some motion picture cameras have variable shutters which means the size of the "slice" can be altered either wider, say to 220 degree (and thus mean the frame of film is exposed LONGER) or made smaller, thus the exposure is a lot shorter. In other words it is possible to make the shutter speed shorter without changing the frame rate. With regard to slow motion, obviously if you crank the camera faster the footage will be slowed down during presentation, which is always at, say, 24fps in the cinema. Thus th point I was making with regard to Saving Private Ryan is that if it was shot with a 500 sec shutter they with shot it all in slow motion or had a variable shutter. However all this would mean is that more light would be needed, rather than producing any other effect. Sorry I'm rambling on here and run out of time. Wil return and try to express myself better Matt

Re: Need help changing frame rate on Canon XL1s

You can change the frame rate on that camera go to your menu and click on cam setup. put it in frame mode that is 25fps progressive scan. But if you are going to transfer to film don't do it it willcost twice as much and don't leave 60 shutter speed or it will cost you twice as much. Call DVFilm in Texas they can tell you more.

Right on man my pet peave

Right on man my pet peave are the uppety tecky Film/video peope who can't talk normal.
JR

doesn't manual explain everything?

doesn't manual explain everything about setting shutter speed etc.?

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